Federal Court Upholds Student Expulsion for Views on Homosexuality

This decision, upholding the expulsion of a student studying counseling for her views, should get someone's (anyone?) attention. (My earliest memory of visiting a college campus was at Eastern Michigan University; later one of my sisters studied nursing here.)

Well, just keep repeating: There is no culture war, there is no culture war, there is no crisis, there is no crisis, it will go away, it will go away, we mustn't be strident, we mustn't be strident..."Be wise as serpents and gentle as doves."

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[R.C.]

Let's just assume, folks, that persecution will become widespread over the course of the next twenty-five years.

Oh, I don't mean folks being thrown to lions.

But I anticipate that Christians holding orthodox views on homosexuality, on abortion, on children being raised by lesbian or gay couples, on the notion of objective sexual morality in general, will be subject to persecution in the following form: They will undergo forced indoctrination, and be forced to profess agreement with statements of LGBT orthodoxy. Those who refuse will "face the consequences."

Forced indoctrination will take the form of counseling and "diversity training."

Professions of agreement with statements of LGBT orthodoxy will require orthodox Christians to recant their orthodox beliefs in matters of sexuality and family life, in favor of language equating homosexual equivalence, in school, in the workplace, and in the home.

Those who refuse in school will be kicked out or fail to obtain the degrees or certificates required to practice a profession.

Those who refuse in the workplace will be fired, and become unhireable thereafter.

Those who refuse in the home will have their right to homeschool or send their kids to private Christian schools curtailed or revoked, and in extreme cases lose custody of their children.

It's not being thrown to the lions, exactly. But gird up your loins and be ready for a hell of a lot of "white martyrdom" over the next quarter-century, folks.

I'd like to be wrong, but I don't expect it.

(P.S. The phrase "hell of a lot" was not frivolous swearing on my part; it was intended and meaningful.)

[Steve Nicoloso]

Or, looking on the bright side, society could collapse, the US Empire dissolve, and civic officials, where they exist, will have a lot more to worry about than enforcing abstruse matters of doctrine.

[Kamilla]

Ah, but "abstruse matter of doctrine" will be all they can enforce . . .

[Robert Espe]

I'm not really motivated enought to do futrther background research, but on its face, the article states she was removed for refusing to counsel homosexuals, not about issues related to their homosexuality, but period. If that is the case (which I admit it might not be) it would be unethical (meaning in this case, a violation of the code of ethics set by the professional association in which she was seeking membership), and I can see why she would be removed from the program.

I think the issue would be clearer if it were through the lense of something less emotionally charged, imagine if she refused to counsel people who use drugs, single mothers, bastards, or cohabiting heterosexuals. There is a difference between not condoning a behavior and refusing to be in the same room with someone. The healthy don't need a doctor but the sick do.

[Beth in TN]

It appears her refusal was to counsel homosexuals in the school setting (an internship or training program, perhaps?), in which she would have been required to counsel them against her firmly held Christian convictions. This would seem more analogous to a medical student being required to perform abortions during his internship in order to get a medical license.

Note, too, that the requirement to continue was that she *change her beliefs* concerning homosexual behavior. She might be perfectly happy to counsel homosexuals in a setting such as Exodus or Probe.

The problem, in other words, does not appear to have been *homosexuals* -- "oh, I can't be in the same room with *them*!" -- but the form of counseling required. She might certainly have believed that by "going along" with actual secular counseling just to get her degree, she would be doing irreparable harm, as the medical student would be doing in performing an abortion.

[Sibyl]

By giving in to the pansexual agenda despite all evidence to the contrary, the APA groups and secular therapists are indeed doing people with these sexual disorders and disorientations irreparable harm.